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Month: April, 2012

29 Apr ’12 Wash Post comment

And working for the government, being paid by taxpayers, turns men into angels?  I could name a perjurer…Political democracy puts the government in charge, but economic democracy puts us voters in charge:  Pizza Hut or McDonald’s or Taco Bell or Subway or Genghis Grill–if I don’t like one, I don’t have to wait four years to replace it with another; I can change right away!  Instant accountability!  And diversity–if I like one and you like another, we can both be happy at the same time.  So shrink the government sector and enlarge the free-competition sector.  Jesus is libertarian.


Newt and his little enemy

Comment on Clay Bennett’s cartoon 29 apr ’12 (, I think, click “opinion”).  “tin man” and “tinny” refer to a poster who uses “onetinsoldier” and posted some nasty remarks about Gingrich, about the 6thpost this morning in comments on Clay cartoon.  (What I posted did  indeed start with “tin man” uncapitalized.)


tin man need a heart and a memory–needs to repent of his disgusting hatred, and open his mind? Speaker Gingrich found deficits and (sort of) balanced the budget; President Obama found deficits and enlarged them, with, his T-sec admitted, no plan to end them. Speaker Gingrich presided over an economy that created jobs; President Obama over one that lost jobs, and over a “jobless recovery.” Speaker Gingrich got President Clinton (D) to sign off on welfare reform; President Obama campaigned against the “individual mandate,” then rammed it through (?) on party-line votes with various shenanigans.

Newt committed adultery, but maybe he has repented; haven’t heard anything lately, and have read he admits his faults. He ran a disorganized campaign; maybe he’d run a disorganized Presidency, though even so I’m sure he’d be right more often, by a lot, than our current President. Unlike tinny and other hate-filled liberals, Newt tried somewhat to be nice to his rivals/enemies.

April 29, 2012 at 9:13 a.m

Blogging! Some things I’ve written and collected during the last month, responding to liberals (mostly).

To Frank Schaeffer’s viciously hostile obituary for Charles Colson, 26 Apr.
Mr Schaeffer,
Do you show love by name-calling?  Would “far left…left wing…creation-hating…war on marriage” prove anything?  Did Jesus use that kind of language to Simon the Pharisee?
Tim Stafford helped Colson revise “Loving God,” and Stafford says Colson was OK to work with but rather overwhelming.
Truth?  If God or genetics made anyone gay, they’d have no children.  So there cannot be a strong gay gene; tendencies, maybe.  There are choices; there is right and wrong.
‘Gay’ actions involve groupings; so do other actions.  If there is to be freedom for the first, why not the 2nd?
Truth?  People who work at Roman Catholic institutions need not forgo contraceptives; they just have to obtain them themselves, rather than force others with moral objections to contraceptives to pay for what the objectors consider evil.  (There might be some institutions with stricter policies?)  I’m not Roman and my marriage uses contraceptives, but I object to tyranny more than to anticontraception.
Andrew Lohr (what tune shall I sing my name to?)
To Bloomberg article headlined “98% success rate for Romneycare” (98% are now insured)
88% coverage before Romneycare, 98% after?  That’s a 10% success rate for Romneycare; the other 88% was pre-Romneycare.  And what about that other 2%?   “17% failure rate for Romneycare” (2 out of 12)?  “90% failure or no-improvement rate for Romneycare” (88+2).
Massachusetts has had the highest health-care costs in the country since at least A.D. 1998..and Rom’care has not fixed this?
Cost are still going up as more people demand treatment…and Rom’care has not fixed this?
(The previous refer to statements and statistics from the Bloomberg article itself.)
One aspect of Obamacare has already been found too expensive, and simply abandoned?
Jesus of Nazareth, President of presidents, is rather libertarian, dude; He’s a realistic man.
To Pulse facebook 2 apr A.D. 2012
Cartoonist Rick Baldwin Apr 4 and Dr Pimental-Habib the week before misstated what Christianity says about ‘gays.’ God hates sin; all sin, not just the weird sins of other people but my own particular favorites, and y’all’s (you fellow humans). But He shows His love for sinners “in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us.” God loves us, and hates our sins of every sort, but loves us. Does anyone else love you enough to die for you? Did anyone but Jesus show God’s power by rising from the dead?
Some sins are worse than others not on a simple fixed scale, but depending on sinner and circumstance; the rich young ruler rejected Jesus and Jesus let him go, without compromising. Some sins are bad enough that Christians should not eat with professing Christians who commit them, and some are bad enough that the Church should ‘hand (sinful Christians) over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved in the day of Christ Jesus,’ but a lot of details about what is bad or worse we have to leave to God. What’s in me and near me is bad enough.
And the Bible says ‘gay’ activity and lust are sin, to be repented of, forsaken, and forgiven like any other sins. (The Church has unanimously agreed until recently; covenants of friendship are not sex licenses). Saying ‘gay’ is not just forgiveable, but OK, is like a medical doctor telling a patient, You’re not just healable, you’re healthy–when he should be saying, This is bad and you may not like the treatment but we need to and can  treat you.

To TFP Clay’s cartoon 17 Apr ’12
AndrewLohr said…
How do we know Clay loves Democrats? He tries to push the party line, even in stormy weather.

How do we know he loves single moms in the projects? He favors picking our pockets to give them our money. (Unstated, and he wouldn’t put it that way, but deny it?)

How do we know he loves the fathers of the children of single moms in the projects? He wants to pay off their girlfriends so they don’t have to marry them to get sex. (Unstated…but deny it?)

Come on, ladies (and men), you’re more than a crotch–if you’re worth sex you’re worth marrying, you’re worth exchanging love in a thorough, well-thought-out, long-lasting way, not just scratching an itch.

(Andrew, how do we know you love single moms? I married one, to do dishes and diapers and garbage with, among other aspects of love.)
To Clay Bennett cartoon:  A business that makes a fool of itself loses customers and money, but a legislature that makes a fool of itself gets paid anyway: so shrink the tax-paid sector and enlarge the customer-paid sector.

A legislature makes laws for everyone it rules, but a business does business only with its own customers, letting other businesses keep other customers happy: burgers, tacos, pizza, subs, sushi…So shrink the monopolistic, lawmaking sector and enlarge the customer-paid diversity sector. “Different is good”?

If Tennessee is that dumb, may we look forward to Mr Bennett moving to California or North Korea? 🙂
April 19, 2012 at 11:06 a.
Freedom or freeze?  Government freezes things:  O’Romneycare tries to replace people taking care of their own health and grouping as they choose to insure for emergencies, with one big bureaucratic system.   Freedom for little babies, or freeze their lives by murdering them in their mothers’ wombs?
The current “safety net” is already torn by finances:  more was promised than we can pay for.  So  adjust it to reality.  Ryan at least sort of tries:  keep it for those stuck with it,  adjust it to something workable for the next generation..  President Obama defends the problem against  solution:  Tim Geitner said, We don’t have a solution but we don’t like yours.  Our President is reasonably generous with his own money, giving away several percent, but he’s far more “generous” with ours, spending 30+%, a totally bogus ‘generosity.’
War?  Our President got us into a war with Libya, no threat, while leaving North Korea, a more dangerous and worse regime, alone.  Surely his motives weren’t greed for oil and fear of nukes, I hope, but how can I not wonder?
The Declaration of Independence says government’s job is to preserve rights.  The Constitution gives the federal government certain jobs and leaves the rest to the states or people; the Federalist assures us that the federal powers are few and enumerated.  The Bible, which to us Christians outranks other documents, says terrorize evildoers and praise good-doers.  Jesus is rather libertarian, and personally generous.
To Charles Blow, NY Times, 19 Apr
To Human Events comments on Obama ate dogs growing up:
O’Romneycare and bearing distorted witness against  Gingrich and Santorum are reasons enough for me to vote Libertarian or Constitution this November; but a man who puts any stock in the Book of Mormon (I’ve read it, a 2nd-rate fantasy novel) shows judgment worse than I’d like to see in a President.  If ballots let us vote “against” a candidate, with “against” votes to be subtracted from “for” votes, I might vote against President Obama, but I don’t think I can vote for Romney.

Letter of a taxpayer

Letter of a taxpayer:                   How can we give ourselves a better country?
Spread these hints around, and tell D.C. and your state  to obey “we the people.”
Simplify taxes.  Wendy my wife, and TurboTax, do our taxes now, and it takes her a few days.  Before we got married, I used 1040EZ with 30+ pages of instructions:  E-Z?   The US spends over $400,000,000,000 (400 billion dollars) a year figuring out taxes.  Imagine if we spent this eating, or driving, or learning, or fixing things–we can use the time and the money, right?  So simplify taxes.   We Christians talk about God’s “tithe”–whatever we make, simply give God one tenth of it.   (Look up my song “Amazing grace:  an easy tax:  count ten and give God one…” )  Let the US  learn from the Bible (Genesis 14:20, Hebrews 7:2).
End ‘slavery.’   Abe Lincoln got rid of one kind, but O’Romneycare shows President Obama and Governor Romney agreeing that they and their bureaucrats are fit to run our lives:   take money we’ve earned, tell us how to spend money we’ve earned, put D.C. or Boston bureaucrats between us and our doctors and insurance companies…Who are these fellow humans to be running our lives, these masters to enslave us?   Working for the government–getting wages from taxpayers–doesn’t turn men into angels.  Again, learn from the Bible–the whole thing is only about a thousand pages long, and can be summed up in shorter ways.  (Throw your sins under the bus, follow Jesus, obey Jesus the President of presidents, trust Jesus, love God and love your neighbors…)  The Bible tells slaves to do good work as slaves, but to prefer freedom if they can get it (I Peter 2, I Cor 7:21.)  Make regulations few, simple, and easy to follow.
Privatize the ‘war on drugs:’ it costs tax dollars, messes up lives, and has failed.  Yet more Americans get arrested for marijuana than for murder, rape, and theft combined.   So on the one hand, send the police after real criminals instead of after drug users.  But on the other hand, let anyone or any group that has standards about drugs enforce their own standards.  If you don’t want to hire, or insure, or do business with drug users, you don’t have to.   (Don’t START sending the police against ANTI-drug people and groups.)   I’ve never used drugs, and the Bible says “merry with wine” is OK but drunkenness sin.  Maybe, as with guns, punish drug crimes more severely, but stop trying to stop drug use.
Privatize money.   When Bush was President, gas was under $2/gallon and I could buy 30 cheap washcloths for $5.  Now gas is close to $4, and $5 buys only 20 washcloths.  We cannot trust the Federal Reserve with the dollar, nor with the economy; but who can we trust?  Trust freedom.  Legalize using gold, silver, platinum, and foreign currencies instead of dollars for whoever wants to do so, with maybe a 1% tax to give a dollar a slight break.  The US economy grew faster A.D. 1840-1860 than it has grown in any 20-year-period since.  In those days banks printed their own money, and the cabinet had fewer than half the departments it has today.
Separate school from state.  We buy cars and houses as we choose, but tax-paid schools are  big systems, run not by parents but by school boards and teachers’ unions and states and D.C. and the Supreme Court and…Simply divide the money among the students for home, private, public, college, or whatever the parents choose.  When consumers rule, products keep improving–look at cars and restaurants!  When bureaucrats rule, taxes keep rising and regulations keep getting more complicated.  Make the b-crats go get real jobs.
President Obama wants to run our lives for us, and Government Romney seems only a wee bit less bad; so consider voting for Libertarian Party ( or Constitution Party  ( candidates, who really see how smaller government helps us and big government is itself a problem (besides being bankrupt, promising more than we can pay for).  The big parties need ideas–we have ideas.  The big parties sometimes need voters.   If we vote for small parties, the big parties know we care enough to vote IF they offer us what we want.
And may I point us to Jesus as rather libertarian?  His life is a gift to us:  He didn’t have to come to earth and suffer.  He lived as a free man, letting no one box Him in.  After they crucified him, he rose up alive on the third day:  not violent, but it did reverse the verdict of the only superpower of those days.  For more on Jesus loving freedom see  .   The trouble with Christian politicians from old Constantine to Bush and Obama is they’ve overlooked God’s preference for freedom.  Throw your sins under the bus, and follow Jesus Christ ( ).

A liturgy

PoccChop liturgy
by Andrew Lohr, with some comments

P uritan
O rthodox
C atholic
C harismatic
C hristian
H ouse
O f
P rayer

(PoccChop, pronounced POKE-chop 🙂

Puritan:  we want to reflect God’s glory better and better (purify).  God’s glory is infinite–there will always be more to reflect better!  And human efforts tend to evolve into complications we can simplify or correct; complications which may speak richly to some people (we‘re not laying down the law against them for others), but upon which we think we can improve for ourselves.

Orthodox–standard Christian; adjective not trademark.  (Cf. C.S. Lewis’s “Mere Christianity”)

Catholic–shared with all Christians, adjective not trademark.

Charismatic–open to the Holy Ghost; cf “Puritan” (want more) . /  Worship leader (and others) can say whatever needs said to help the service along, to help people pay attention and ‘get it.’

Christian–Jesus Christ is the Savior, the only Savior.

House of prayer–aim is fellowship with God (especially but not only His power, asking the Great One for great things so He will give them to us.).  A house primarily of prayer, more than of preaching or singing (an evangelical tendency), fervently believing and not just going through the motions (a liberal/liturgical tendency).

The acronym reminds us not to take ourselves TOO seriously.  Other Christians doing things in other ways may be giving other people, or us, what they or we need.  Glory to God for this.

(Jim Rutz? at an Open Church Ministries conference said, Liberals will tell you you ought to be good–true though powerless.  Baptists will tell you you MUST be born again, so a liberal drops into a Baptist church and gets saved.  After awhile, John 3:16 kind of wears out and a Baptist will go on to Presbyterians for doctrine, or charismatics for power, or Anglicans for liturgy…and each may supply some people with what they need where they are in their lives.  I, Andrew Lohr, am especially concerned to receive God‘s supplies, to pray, and for sanctification, for growth in grace.)

Everyone is free to use this liturgy and adjust it for their own use for the glory of triune Jehovah.



(“All” usually includes Worship Leader–”WL“–though s/he should speak quietly and let the group dominate when “All” speak.  Charismatic, house of prayer:  we‘re gathered to pray together, so regular attenders may say some of what WL is saying along with him.  What‘s in parentheses like this is mostly “rubrics“–instructions, explanations, comments–not to be said.  Some of it you may need to print in the liturgy for users; some may be background you needn‘t print.)
(For saying things at the same time, watching the leader’s mouth so as to speak/sing at the same time may help.  Signs, gestures, highlights on projected versions may also help.)

WL:  Jesus Christ is Lord
To the glory of God the Father
Confessed by the Holy Ghost.

All:  Jesus Christ is Lord
To the glory of God the Father
Confessed by the Holy Ghost.

WL:  The Lord be with you.

All:  And also with you.  (With all of you, not just your spirit, even though the spirit be the most important part or aspect.)

WL:  Let us pray as Jesus teaches us.  (S/he may add something like “Let us truly want these gifts from God; let us really ask Him for them.”  Mean this, don’t just say it.  ‘Do business with God,’ don’t just recite.)

All:  Our Father who art in Heaven
Hallowed be your name        1
Your kingdom come            2
Your will be done            3
On earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day            4
Our daily bread
And forgive us our debts        5
As we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation    6
But deliver us from evil.
For Yours is the kingdom        7
And the power and the glory
For ever.  Amen.


1 WL:  Hallowed be your name.  Let us praise and worship triune Jehovah, starting with a song he gives us, learning to respond to his glory as he deserves.

1.1All sing a psalm, in order.  (52/yr in three years or so.  Continue; add in other Bible songs?  I think only 72 Psalms exceed 12 verses–a hymn‘s worth–and only 19 exceed 24 verses–a very long hymn.  Psalm 119, the longest, can be chanted in under 20 minutes.  Love God, love God‘s lyrics. is one place to buy “Psalters” that offer all 150 Psalms in singable versions.  I use their  “TheBook of Psalms for Singing.”)

1.2 WL:  in I Tim 2:1-6 Saint Paul tell us:  “I exhort therefore that, first of all, supplications prayers intercessions and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and for all that are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all Godliness and honesty; for this is good and pleases God our Savior who will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.  For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus who gave himself a ransom for all to be testified in due time.”
WL prays:  Holy God, may we glorify you in our lives, living in all Godliness and honesty.  Be known as glorious to kings and to all in authority and to us and to all our neighbors, that no one disturb the Godly lives of your people, and that all from least to greatest  be duly humbled before You, confessing your infinite glory.  Fill the earth with the knowledge of your glory, triune Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.  In the name of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, who mediates between God and man, we pray.  Amen.   (Or prays along these lines.  May ask for particular forms of Godliness we especially need, and/or for particular forms of peace, e.g. if Muslims are rioting against Christians somewhere.)

All:  Amen.

1.3 WL:   Let us sing a hymn or song we share with many saints.

All sing (at first, Bible hymn, e.g. Magnificat.  Later, maybe classic hymn, e.g. “:St Patrick‘s Breastplate,” “O Sacred Head”… )

1.4 WL:  “every man hath a psalm.”  To make sure everyone has a turn, we take some requests in advance.  (Name on church roll) has requested (psalm/hymn/song).

e.g. Joe has requested “The Old Rugged Cross”

(Sing a couple songs.)

1.5 WL:  Let us praise and thank God for his blessings–you may call for a song, and perhaps say why you want it; you may thank God, praying yourself or inviting us to join you by ending your prayer with …”our Father in Heaven, hear our prayer” and we all join “in Jesus’ name, Amen.“  Remember others have praises, so leave them time, and remember we’re especially PRAISING GOD here, not preaching or asking for things; praising God.
(Singing and praise for awhile.)


2 WL:  Glory to God.  “Your kingdom come:”  let us pray here and now that God’s kingdom advance, and in the longer run that Jesus’ return bringing the resurrection and judgment, and the new heavens and the new earth where righteousness lives.

2.1 WL:   let us pray for the salvation of our neighbors:  We pray for the conversion of (name, e.g. “Melvin Freeman”) into a true Christian.  Our Father in Heaven, hear our prayer.

All:  In Jesus’ name, Amen.

(Prayers for conversions, from anyone in the group)  We pray for the conversion  of (name/s, e.g  Grady, the Morelock family, the Buehlers workers and their dear ones)  into true Christians.  Our Father in Heaven, hear our prayer.

All:  In Jesus’ name, Amen.

2.3 (Background:  Acts 1:8 Jerusalem, all Judea, Samaria, ends of earth–WL leads prayers from particular neighbors, to country, continent, world)

e.g. We pray for the conversion of (our near neighbors, e.g. “Chattanoogans”) into true Christians.  Our Father in Heaven, hear our prayer.

All:  In Jesus’ name, Amen.

We pray for the conversion of (our fellow countrymen, e.g. “Americans”) into true Christians.  Our Father in Heaven, hear our prayer.

All:  In Jesus’ name, Amen.

2.4 Pray Operation World for the day (and handouts giving brief prayer requests for the week.)

e.g. We pray for the conversion of the people of Indonesia into true Christians. Our Father in Heaven, hear our prayer.

All:  In Jesus’ name, Amen.

WL:  And for the return to earth of our Lord Jesus Christ, with the resurrection of the dead, the Judgment Day, and the new heavens and the new earth wherein righteousness dwells, we pray, O Lord.  Give us grace to do all the work you want us to do before that, teaching all ethnic groups to obey all the orders of Jesus Christ, and bringing every thought captive to obey Him.  Our Father in Heaven, hear our prayer.
(Referring to Mt 28 and II Cor 11).

All:  In Jesus’ name, Amen.


3 WL:   Your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.  Let us pray that we and all our fellow Christians do what we know of God’s will, and learn and do the rest.

3.1  WL Prays:  Our Father in Heaven,
please teach us your will
and teach us to do
what you want us to do.

Please do this also for
Pope Benedict

All:   And those who look to him for leadership

WL:  And for Bartholomew, patriarch of Constantinople

All:  And those who look to him for leadership

WL:  And for Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canturbury
All:  And those who look to him for leadership

WL:  And for our Archbishop Nathan
All:  And those who look to him for leadership

WL:  And for Billy Graham, Chuck Colson, Ken Ham, Tim Keller and the like
(well known Christians of various types)
All:   And those who look to them for leadership

WL:  And for Joe Novenson, Kay Arthur, Jim Pickett, John Ankenberg, and the like (local Christian leaders of various types)
All:  And those who look to them for leadership

WL:  And for all Christian leaders
All:  And those who look to them for leadership

WL:  And for pastor (name) and (name of the church he serves; a local pastor and church WL has called this week; with one or two prayer requests of theirs; at this point, requests about God’s will; other requests later.  Go through the local phone book.   When finished–several years in Chattanooga–go again.  And repeat.  This puts at least some action to the unity of God’s church.  E.g. “For pastor Randy Nabors and New City Fellowship, that You let them know who You want as a new pastor there, and that he serve You and the congregation well.”)

WL:  Our Father in Heaven,
please save any of them who need saving
And teach them and us your will
And give them and us grace to do your will.
Our Father in Heaven,
Hear our prayer,

All:  In Jesus’ name, Amen.

WL:  Let us read and apply God’s word.

3.2  Read Bible passage, Genesis to Revelation in order (15 verses/week for 40 years, and then again.  Passage may be longer or shorter.)  May pray for illumination first:  Lord open my eyes that I may behold / wondrous things out of thy law.  Or from  I Peter 2:2-3.  Or:  Lord, open your word to us and us to it.  Etc.)

Reader, before reading:  The book God Himself gave us.  Let us pay attention.  A reading from (wherever).


Reader, after reading:  The word of the Lord.  (NOT “Here ends the reading”–the response then would mean “thank God that’s over.”  We thank God for giving us His word, not for the end of the reading.)

All:  Thanks be to God.

3.3 WL, or reader, or preacher, or several people,  pray based on the passage read.  (Prayers should have something to do with the passage–praise God for something in it, ask Him for something it leads us to ask for, ask that we obey what it tells us to do or repent from some sin it mentions…)

3.4 WL, preacher, or someone applies passage, at least briefly:  here’s something about God, here’s something about the world, here’s something we should do.  Can be a full-fledged sermon.

3.5 If 2nd prophet receives a word, 1st prophet let 2nd speak.  WL/preacher submit to questions, comments, corrections, applications, summaries, etc.  (If a preacher were always perfectly clear, he wouldn’t need to take questions; if he were always right, he wouldn’t need to take corrections; if he always said what needed to be said at this point, he wouldn’t need additions; if he always drove home what he said, he wouldn’t need applications or summaries…but preachers do need the help of others.  And others need to respect the 1st prophet:  let him do what he’s doing if it’s any good at all.)

3.6 If necessary (“charismatic”, flexible) there can be a 2nd reading for a 2nd (or a main) sermon, e.g. a Christmas or Easter reading and sermon; tho the main series of through-the-Bible readings with prayer and application continues every week.

3.7 If there’s a 2nd reading and sermon again the main speaker must let others break in with questions, comments, corrections, applications, summaries, etc.

3.8 Nicene Creed, preferably sung or chanted:  We believe in one God
The Father Almighty
Maker of Heaven and earth
And of all things visible and invisible
And in one Lord Jesus Christ
The only begotten Son of God
Begotten of the Father before all the ages
God from God
Light from Light
True God from true God
Begotten not made
Being of one substance with the Father
By whom all things were made
Who for us [men] and for our salvation/who for us and for our great salvation
Came down from Heaven
And was incarnate by the Holy Spirit  and the virgin Mary
And was made man
And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate
He suffered and was buried
And the third day he rose again
In fulfillment of the Scriptures
And ascended into Heavn
And is seated at the right hand of the Father
And he shall come again with glory
To judge both the living and dead
Whose Kingdom shall have no end
And we believe in the Holy Ghost
The Lord and giver of life
Who proceedeth from the Father
And [is sent by] the Son
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified
Who spoke by the prophets
And we believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church
We acknowledge one baptism
For the remission of sins
And we look for the resurrection of the dead
And the life of the age to come

(This version is mostly from James B. Jordan,, except “is sent by” the Son, a Biblical statement [Acts 2, John 15-16] which avoids both the Western extreme of “AND the Son” and the Eastern Orthodox extreme of not mentioning the Son in connection with the Holy Ghost; and saying we believe “in” the Church instead of ‘we believe the Church.’  In case you don‘t know, both Eastern Orthodox, and Roman Catholic, and Episcopal and Lutheran churches tend to say or sing this creed every week, or every main service, and have done so, in slightly differing versions, since A.D. 325 or so–the Council of Nicea.  Of course, what matters is that any creeds we use express the truth, so they had better conform to what the Bible says.  Leaving out [men] and adding “great” to fit the rhythm–I’m not a feminist but I’m willing to listen to what they say; they may have some points.)


4 WL:  Give us this day our daily bread.  As our Father in Heaven has freely given his  own Son for us all, how shall he not in him freely give us all things?  Let us therefore, as Jesus teaches us, ask our Father for what we need, ending each request with “Our Father in Heaven, hear our prayer” to which we all join  (if we do) by saying “In Jesus’ name, Amen.“   Let us take care that what we ask be what Jesus would ask; that His name belongs on our prayers.

WL:   Our Father, we pray for (e.g.) New City Fellowship’s budget, for wisdom in preparing it, good stewardship of what you supply, and enough money to do the work you want done in your Kingdom.  Our Father in Heaven, hear our prayer.  (WL leads prayer for request/s from local church of the week.)

All:  In Jesus’ name, Amen.

E.g.  (From anyone in the group):  Dear God, we ask
that Nina and all of us learn to speak Your words and walk in Your ways.
Our Father in Heaven, hear our prayer.

All:  In Jesus’ name, Amen.

Time of prayer for awhile.

4.1 WL:  Jesus said, The bread that I will give is my flesh which I shall give for the life of the world.  [John 6:51].   Having asked God for other gifts, let us remind God and ourselves of His greatest gift; yea, let us receive this gift, and share in our Lord’s Supper, according to the words and intention of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.

It is written:  Jesus took bread and blessed and broke and gave to the disciples and said, Take, eat; this is my body.  [Mt 26:26]  (They were “reclining.”  And the 5000 that Jesus fed were sitting down.  Better, I agree with Jim Jordan, that the recipients sit down as usual for a meal.   Distributors can partake first, but should do this as quickly as possible.)

WL (prays over the bread, breaks it, and passes it around.  He may pray thus):  Our Father in Heaven, we thank you for showing your love for us by giving your only Son Jesus Christ to be our Lord and Savior.  According to His word, let this bread be his body in the way he intended in this his supper, making his once-for-all sacrifice on the cross present to us as to all his people who share in his supper.  We thank you who live and reign with him and the Holy Ghost, one God for ever and ever.  Our Father in Heaven, hear our prayer.

All:  In Jesus’ name, Amen.

(We who are many are one bread, for we all partake of the one loaf [I Cor 10:17]–ideally one loaf, or one big wafer, should be broken for everyone present; though I wouldn’t be legalistic about this for a big congregation.  )

4.2  WL:  It is written:  he took the cup and gave thanks and gave to them saying, Drink ye all of it for this is my blood of the new covenant which is shed for many for the remission of sins [Mt 26:27-28].

WL (prays over the cup [If God the Son prayed twice, who are we to get by with just once or with merely reading the text without praying?] and passes it around.  He [WL]  may pray thus:)   Our Father in Heaven, we thank you for showing your love for us in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us, shedding his blood for the remission of our sins [Romans 5:8, Heb 9:22].   According to His word, let this wine [What did Jesus use?] be his blood in the way he intended in this his supper, making the blood he sprinkled once for all [Hebrews 7:15-10:18, 12:24] present to us as to all our brothers and sisters who share in his supper.  We thank you who live and reign with him and the Holy Ghost, one God for ever and ever.  Our Father in Heaven, hear our prayer.

All:  In Jesus’ name, Amen.

(If something is said to each person as they drink from the cup, let it be:  The new covenant in the blood of Christ [I Cor 11:25] ).


WL:  After supper, Jesus washed the feet of His disciples, saying, He that is washed need only wash his feet [John 13, esp. 3-4, 9-10].  If you have not become a Christian, become one–that is the great overall washing, becoming alive to God and dead to sin [Romans 6:11-13]–but if we children of God say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us [I John 1:8].  Let us therefore confess our sins,  repent of them and forsake them, laying aside every weight and the sin which so easily attacks us [Heb 12:1-2],  looking unto Jesus the author and perfector of our faith.   James tells us, Confess your sins one to another and pray one for another that you may be healed [James 5:16].  If you choose to confess your sins to a priest, we can arrange that, before or after the service or at other times.  If you choose to confess out loud to all, you may do that.  Be sure you confess to God, who is holy holy holy, God who is light and in whom is no darkness at all, and be sure that you repent, that you “throw your sins under the bus.”  He who covers up his sins shall not prosper, but whosoever confesses and abandons them shall receive mercy [Proverbs 28:13].  Let any who so choose now confess their sins among us all, begging God for mercy and grace.  After a time for that, we will all confess together.  And let us truly lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily attacks us (Heb. 12).

(Any who so decides may now confess out loud before all, e.g., Holy God, I confess reading/eating/drinking too much and indulging in lustful looks and daydreams.  I repent.  Please forgive and cleanse me.)

After any such confessions,

WL:  Let us all confess our sins in general.

All:   Holy and merciful God,
We confess that we have sinned against you
In thought, word, and deed,
By what we have done,
And by what we have left undone.
We have not loved you with our whole heart;
We have not loved our neighbors as ourselves.
We confess our sin and your perfect holiness.  We repent.
For the sake of your Son Jesus Christ
By whom you express your love for us
Have mercy on us and forgive us
So that instead of sinning
We will delight to do your will
And walk in your ways
To the glory of your name.

WL:  The Almighty and merciful Lord grant us absolution and remission of all our sins, true repentance, amendment of life, and the grace and comfort and power of the Holy Ghost.  Our Father in Heaven, hear our prayer.

(Tradition lets a bishop,  priest, or pastor say “you/your” for “us/our” if he so chooses.)

All:  In Jesus’ name, Amen.


WL prays:   Holy God, we praise you because you are holy, holy, holy, and completely free from sin.  Yet you set your love upon us to save us in Christ Jesus, not to take us out of the world but to keep us from evil in the world you created [Jn 17, Rom 5:8].  Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other [Psalm 85].  So we  beg you, our Father in Heaven, guide our lives–and may we follow your guidance–not into the realm of things that tempt us to turn from you, but into such as work to bring us nearer to you; and by your holy power deliver us from Satan and his demons and from such as work his will and from the law of sin in our own flesh, so that we freely and gladly live for you, in line and in step with the Holy Ghost.  Our Father in heaven, hear our prayer.

All:  In Jesus’ name, Amen.

(Or prays along these lines.  Charismatic, remember.)


WL:  Let us pray as angels have been praying and saints often join them, praising God and saying, [or preferably, singing]:

All:  Holy holy holy
Lord God of  Hosts
Heaven and earth are full of your glory
Hosanna in the highest
Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord
Hosanna in the highest.

WL:   Trusting in triune Jehovah, let us live for him offering all our lives as a living sacrifice of praise to Him, going out now to serve him in whatever ways our God, the creator and sustainer of the heavens and the earth, calls us to do.  In Jesus’ name, Amen.

All:  Thanks be to God.

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